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AvonWyss



Joined: 29 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Promises made and the community... Reply with quote

The worried voices in the comments from the original article regarding the takeover of Reflector unfortunately seem to be right in the end. Much blah-blah to get the product, and (I guess) after the initial agreement with Lutz has ended, put a price tag on it. Another great tool taken away from the community... that having people work on it does cost money is certainly true, but isn't that true for all the open-source and other free tools out there? I am certain that RedGate also uses tools internally which are free, provided by the community. My guess would be that Subversion is one of them. Do they really think that the people working on Subversion don't cost someone else money?

http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/opinion-pieces/the-future-of-reflector-/

In that article it was promised to the community that it would remain free. Quotes from it (emphasis mine):
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Under an agreement announced on Wednesday 20th August , Red Gate will be responsible for the future development of .NET Reflector, the popular tool authored by Lutz Roeder. Red Gate will continue to offer the tool for free to the community.


James Moore, General manager of .NET Developer Tools at Red Gate:
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I think we can provide a level of resources that will move the tool forward in a big way. The first thing we are doing is continuing to offer the software to the community for free downloading. The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better.
We accept the fact that there will be scepticism, but we can point to a good track record of support for the community. People were wary a couple of years ago when we purchased the SQL Server Central community site, but over time we have won over many of our critics by investing heavily in the site and boosting its readership, while allowing it to maintain editorial independence. Iím hoping I will be able to sit here in a few years time and claim the same level of success with Reflector.

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I understand that people will be sceptical of our motives and are concerned about the future of a great tool. I hope that we can win over those who are sceptical, through our actions not words, that we can be as good custodians of Reflector as we have been of SQLServerCentral.com.


Didn't something similar happen with SQL Prompt? This tool used to be a free offering before RedGate bought it... agreed, much work was put into it, but the price tag is high, making it more or less unaccessible for users working in a non-corporate environment. And I would be willing to bet that Reflector will become more and more expensive over time.
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JDelekto



Joined: 05 Feb 2011
Posts: 21

PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: Promises made and the community... Reply with quote

AvonWyss wrote:
The worried voices in the comments from the original article regarding the takeover of Reflector unfortunately seem to be right in the end. Much blah-blah to get the product, and (I guess) after the initial agreement with Lutz has ended, put a price tag on it. Another great tool taken away from the community... that having people work on it does cost money is certainly true, but isn't that true for all the open-source and other free tools out there? I am certain that RedGate also uses tools internally which are free, provided by the community. My guess would be that Subversion is one of them. Do they really think that the people working on Subversion don't cost someone else money?

http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/opinion-pieces/the-future-of-reflector-/

In that article it was promised to the community that it would remain free. Quotes from it (emphasis mine):
Quote:
Under an agreement announced on Wednesday 20th August , Red Gate will be responsible for the future development of .NET Reflector, the popular tool authored by Lutz Roeder. Red Gate will continue to offer the tool for free to the community.


James Moore, General manager of .NET Developer Tools at Red Gate:
Quote:
I think we can provide a level of resources that will move the tool forward in a big way. The first thing we are doing is continuing to offer the software to the community for free downloading. The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better.
We accept the fact that there will be scepticism, but we can point to a good track record of support for the community. People were wary a couple of years ago when we purchased the SQL Server Central community site, but over time we have won over many of our critics by investing heavily in the site and boosting its readership, while allowing it to maintain editorial independence. Iím hoping I will be able to sit here in a few years time and claim the same level of success with Reflector.

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Quote:
I understand that people will be sceptical of our motives and are concerned about the future of a great tool. I hope that we can win over those who are sceptical, through our actions not words, that we can be as good custodians of Reflector as we have been of SQLServerCentral.com.


Didn't something similar happen with SQL Prompt? This tool used to be a free offering before RedGate bought it... agreed, much work was put into it, but the price tag is high, making it more or less unaccessible for users working in a non-corporate environment. And I would be willing to bet that Reflector will become more and more expensive over time.


Everyone is quoting things about "promises"; however, I have not yet seen one irate post which quotes anything from Red Gate that could be either a true "promise" or even "commitment" to the developer community that says they would give out their work product for Reflector users indefintely for no fee whatsoever. If I am mistaken, I would like to be corrected.

Cheers.
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kenro



Joined: 07 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was because of the implied belief on the words "to continue to offer the tool for free to the community". There was not a statement makes the community to believe that they are going to put a price to it when they lose revenues like "to offer it for free as long as we can".

As taken from the announcement:

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We know that this will cause pain for some people in the .NET community, and we apologize for the change in policy.


We'll as always, save the company... nevermind the community... selfish but true eh?
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