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fuckredgate



Joined: 06 May 2010
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Ridiculous updating Reply with quote

I am sick of this applications constant need to be update itself for no good reason. I am sick of how it disables itself until updated and launches browser windows unrequested. Please don't insult my intelligence with bullshit about 'improvements'.

The direction in which this software has been taken with Redgates acquisition, is unethical and at odds with the original unencumbered product.
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Infinity



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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Agreed Reply with quote

I agree. The program even DELETES ITSELF if you refuse to update! Red Gate, you're just taking the piss!
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namtu



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Ridiculous updating Reply with quote

fuckredgate wrote:
The direction in which this software has been taken with Redgates acquisition, is unethical and at odds with the original unencumbered product.


Agree. I was really surprised when I discovered new 'features'. Worst thing is that also old versions of Reflector doesn't work anymore. In the result I removed Reflector from my disk - it was some time ago. I was wondering if Red Gate has changed that policy - as I see they didn't changed anything.

So, I feel that they broke my reliance - I am going to not use any RedGate product now or in the future. Since I cannot be sure, that they will not change rules of any software, I don't want risk to loose money.

Please note that it would be OK for me, if they say that they don't wont to support free version of Reflector anymore - but changing rules for old software, installing anything without user permission, forcing users to make upgrades which they don't need... no... that's to much for me.
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Uniwares_AS



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also do not agree with this kinda silly forced update, more as I have a machine where it simply wont run after installing the "latest and greatest".

On the site red-gate states:
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Why does Reflector need to update itself? This is the way .NET Reflector has always worked and is the easiest, and least intrusive, way to ensure that everyone is running the same version.


The only difference is that the "old" Reflector still worked when you didn't update. The new "you clicked No and that means no program at all" policy is really #@$!!.

What I find very disturbing is that even on machines without internet access you are forced to update or not use it. I guess that this is caused by an intermediate version which simply 'expires'.

Big Evil or Very Mad for the otherwise great red-gate products.
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Alex.Davies



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only difference is that the "old" Reflector still worked when you didn't update.


Just to correct a factual point there, Reflector has always disabled itself one month after first asking you to update it.

The chances are you just updated it quickly enough that you never saw it disabled previously.
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RichardD



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the latest free version (v6.5) dedicates a large block of screen-space to an advert trying to trick you into installing the pro version! Mad

I don't have the pro version; I don't want the pro version; I don't want an "ad-supported" free version; I just want the damn free version! Evil or Very Mad

I'm getting increasingly suspicious that Red Gate are trying to discontinue the free version, despite repeated claims that it will always be free.
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Bart Read



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear RichardD,


Thank you for your delicious remarks. Iíve had them mounted on the wall behind me along with the others. I like to read them in the morning before quaffing a chalice of fresh sacrificial blood and indulging in a spot of maniacal laughter. I find that sets me up for a day of rapacious empire-building quite wonderfully.


Diabolically yours,


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RichardD



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Bart Read wrote:
... a day of rapacious empire-building ...


And there I was thinking you were joking. Now it looks like everybody who was concerned that the free version was going to disappear was right all along! Mad

Simple Talk wrote:
Red Gate will be charging $35 for .NET Reflector
Red Gate has announced that it will charge $35 for version 7 of .NET Reflector ... our original intention was to maintain .NET Reflector as a free tool. But ... we realized that we could not make the free model work
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nexus99



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i agree, it is annoying, i will post a solution for update problems, keep checking the forum Twisted Evil
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vcbnvbm



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have right to get money for their work.
Stop whining.
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RichardD



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

vcbnvbm wrote:
They have right to get money for their work.
Stop whining.


I agree that they have the right to get money for v7.

I do not agree that they have the right to expire v6 and force everyone to pay for the upgrade.

I appreciate that a free v6 without an expiry date would mean less people would pay for v7, but that's not an excuse. Reflector is a tool, not a service. Forced upgrades for services are acceptable; forced upgrades for tools are not.
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vcbnvbm



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
I do not agree that they have the right to expire v6 and force everyone to pay for the upgrade.

Not wise solution, I agree. They should move to v7 as soon as possible and stop any support of v6. That would work better.
Or abandon Reflector and create a new project Mirror, commercial from the beginning ^_^
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JamesB



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, and I also have a very sour taste in my mouth about Red Gate. To me, Red Gate will always be the company that took a quality tool that was free to the community and tried to charge money for it (with no significant improvement in features, I might add).

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Without revenue coming in, we cannot dedicate a team of developers...


Really? You have an entire team of developers devoted to the miniscule amount of functionality you've added to the 'free' version? You need to hire more productive developers.

And if you couldn't maintain the product as a free tool, you should've left it alone. Here's an alternative for you: Release the source and give it back to the community. Then you don't have to worry about paying developers to maintain it, and the community loses their negative associations with Red Gate.

Bart Read> Great approach to all the hostility your company has created: be a smart-@** to the people who are upset. You seriously just doubled the negative feelings I have toward Red Gate.

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Bart Read



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

JamesB wrote:

Bart Read> Great approach to all the hostility your company has created: be a smart-@** to the people who are upset. You seriously just doubled the negative feelings I have toward Red Gate.



Hi James,


Thanks for posting your understandable concerns. I should however point out that my comments were made many months before our charging announcement, and indeed before we even made the decision to charge. They were intended as lighthearted banter and were in fact received quite favourably at the time. Obviously if I'd posted them after the recent announcement they would have been cast in a completely different light, and any upset would be entirely proper.

As it is, in spite of the charging announcement, we chose to leave this thread intact because we don't really like to remove any content from our forums unless it's blatantly offensive, illegal, or flagrantly violates our license agreements or those of other vendors. We certainly don't have a policy of suppressing criticism, as you'll see if you take a look around our other forums.

I hope this clears things up for you.


Many thanks,


Bart
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