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jfennell



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Purchasing SQL Source Control upon Release Reply with quote

Greetings,

I currently have a license for the SQL Comparison bundle and am ecstatic with how much time it saves me and my teams. I have loved everything about SQL Source Control and look forward to adding it to my toolbox of essentials.

I have read that when SQL Source Control is released, it will be available as part of SQL Toolbelt and SQL Developer Bundle, and will also be available separately. Will it also be part of the SQL Comparison bundle? I would highly recommend including it in the SQL Comparison bundle or at least offering it at a discounted cost with the SQL Comparison bundle.

Secondly, if SQL Source Control is purchased separately, how much of the SQL Compare functionality will be available with it? The product seems to rely heavily on SQL Compare. As an example, since it only stores CREATE scripts, it is necessary to use SQL Compare to apply changes from a previous version in the repository.

Please let me know your thoughts on whether it will be included or offered at a discount with the SQL Comparison Bundle.

Thanks and keep up the great work,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no plans to include this with the SQL Comparison Bundle, as this package doesn't include the Pro versions of SQL Compare and SQL Data Compare, which are essential to synchronize from a scripts folder to a database.

However, there will be an attractive upgrade path from the SQL Comparison Bundle to the SQL Developer Bundle, which will almost certainly be the most cost-effective option for you. We haven't finalised the fine details and pricing just yet, so please bear with us.

If a developer just has the SQL Source Control add-in, they will be able to commit and retrieve changes to and from source control. For v1.0, retrieving changes from anything but 'head' won't be possible from the tool, although this is planned for a subsequent release. However, in most cases, manually converting a CREATE script into an ALTER will be straightforward, so applying a historic object version from source control to your development database shouldn't be a problem, especially for stored procedures.

Kind regards,

David Atkinson
Product Manager
Red Gate Software
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jfennell



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information, David. I just want to clarify your information by asking another question.

Will customers be able to purchase SQL Source Control separately, or will it ONLY be available with the SQL Developer or SQL Toolbelt bundles?

It would be a big mistake, in my opinion, not to offer a purchase option that allows for the purchase of just the essentials needed for SQL Source Control. You are filling a HUGE need in the development community with this tool, and filling it quite well I might add. If my client has a team of 10 developers who just need to be able to check things in and out of the repository with SQL Source Control, and he can't afford 10 copies of one of the bundles, it's going to be a hard sell to convince him he needs SQL Source Control.

I'd strongly recommend a "standalone" flavor of SQL Source Control, if that's at all possible, or at least a version that contains only the minimum parts of SQL Compare that are required to make Source Control work. Heck, a bundle of SQL Compare and SQL Source Control for say $595 would be much more palatable than requiring a purchase of $1,295 per seat.

Please consider this so you don't price yourself out of a lot of business. Once people see the quality of your tools, you'll get a lot of upgrades as well!!

Peace,
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David Atkinson



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current plan is definitely to sell SQL Source Control as a standalone product. We recognise that those who have to interact with a development database might not need more than basic get/commit needs.

It is very much the ethos of Red Gate to provide choice and flexibility to its users, and therefore we develop tools that not only work in conjunction with other Red Gate tools, but also as complete standalone entities.

The price of standalone SQL Source Control has yet to be finalised. The likelihood is that it will be in line with the pricing of other Red Gate SQL Server development tools. The SQL Developer Bundle as a single license is indeed $1295. However, there is a great price break if you consider a 5-user or 10-user pack, bringing the unit cost down to $779/user and $720/user respectively.

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jfennell



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again, David. I'm glad to hear that SQL Source Control will be available as a standalone product. Sorry if I misunderstood. I didn't mean to imply that you wouldn't make it available as standalone; I just wasn't sure if that was possible given how tightly coupled with SQL Compare it seems to be.

And thanks for the info about the volume pricing on SQL Developer bundle. That will definitely help on the up-sells when customers see the value of the product.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

David Atkinson wrote:

The price of standalone SQL Source Control has yet to be finalised. The likelihood is that it will be in line with the pricing of other Red Gate SQL Server development tools. The SQL Developer Bundle as a single license is indeed $1295. However, there is a great price break if you consider a 5-user or 10-user pack, bringing the unit cost down to $779/user and $720/user respectively.


Any news on pricing now that the beta is coming out? I really hope it's not "in line with the pricing of other Red Gate SQL Server development tools". I think the product is amazing but anything over $100 per seat would be a deal killer for us. VisualSVN (For SVN VS integration) has a great price point of $50 per seat and it's easy to sell this amount to upper management for the feature set your getting in return. I realize there is much more involved with integrating VCS with SSMS but it still comes down to the same thing basic functionality.

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this will be part of the Developer Bundle. If we already own the Developer Bundle, will there be an upgrade cost to get this?
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the SQL Toolbelt or the SQL Developer Bundle, and provided you took the support and ugprades option, you'll get SQL Source Control at no extra cost.

If you don't have support and upgrades, I believe that there is a way to 'upgrade' to this option. Or you could of course purchase it separately. Please email sales@red-gate.com for more details.

David
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nhustak



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

David Atkinson wrote:
If you have the SQL Toolbelt or the SQL Developer Bundle, and provided you took the support and ugprades option, you'll get SQL Source Control at no extra cost.

If you don't have support and upgrades, I believe that there is a way to 'upgrade' to this option. Or you could of course purchase it separately. Please email sales@red-gate.com for more details.

David


Excellent!
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jfennell



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again,

The standalone pricing for SQL Source Control has been announced:

Without Support & Upgrades:
1 user = $295
5 users = $1,195 ($239/user)
10 users = $1,995 ($199/user)

With Support & Upgrades:
1 user = $369
5 users = $1,494 ($299/user)
10 users = $2,494 ($249/user)

Two questions:

1) Are there any plans to offer discounts for beta testers or for customers who have other Red Gate products (e.g., SQL Comparison Bundle)?

2) When purchasing a license that includes support and upgrades, is there a cost to renew the support and upgrades? Is that an annual cost? What is the cost?

Thanks in advance for your answers and thanks again for a great product!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

(1) Please contact sales@red-gate.com and they'll review your current toolset and suggest upgrade options.

(2) Annual tool renewals for support and upgrades is 25% of the cost of the tools.

Thanks for your questions. We're delighted that you appreciate SQL Source Control!

David Atkinson
Product Manager
Red Gate Software
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jfennell



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick response, David. I'll contact the sales team regarding my upgrade options.

One other question I should have asked that I think the forum users would be interested in: has any timeframe yet been decided when the "trial period" on the release candidate will expire and users will be required to purchase a license? I have a couple of clients that I've introduced SQL Source Control to that will be interested in knowing the expected time for that expense.

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: 28 Day Trial Period Reply with quote

Hello,

To answer your last question, the "trial period" for SQL Source Control will be 28 days. So, after installing the full release version, you will have 28 days to evaluate the software.

Thank you!
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