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nhustak



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Visual Source Safe support? Reply with quote

I've been looking over the MSDN subscription levels and guys..this is a real problem if you intend to sell this to independent developers.

The MINIMUM level to get Team Foundation Server is $5400. This isn't happening for me nor do I need what it offers. I simply can't justify that level of outlay. Source Safe comes with all version belows that.

I would like to request you reconsider this decision. I am not going to switch to Subversion as I have other things I use Source Safe for that it integrates with - the integration isn't there for Subversion. It's just not a option for me no matter how well it slices bread. I don't want to lose my integration nor to I want to use multiple source control programs. I am sure there are lot of developers in the same boat as my small company.

Thanks,
Nick H
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David Atkinson



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nick,

We haven't ruled out VSS support outright, but it's not an immediate priority for v1.0. We will review this after the initial release, and it will have to be based solely on business grounds.

Visual Source Safe's market share has been steadily diminishing since Microsoft announced its "end-of-life" plans, with support ending in mid 2011. What are your plans beyond this? Microsoft are offering "TFS Basic", which I imagine will be better value than the full version, but I don't know if the pricing has been published.

http://blogs.msdn.com/bharry/archive/2009/10/01/tfs-2010-for-sourcesafe-users.aspx

Out of interest, which applications do you rely upon that don't have Subversion support?

David Atkinson
Product Manager
Red Gate Software
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nhustak



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,
This blog is news to me. Thank you - that makes a huge difference. I had heard rumors they were going to basically eliminate VSS and make TFS more available but I had been unable to find direct references to this.

Apparently I failed to search very well.

As far as Subversion, after I posted that I went hunting and apparently there is a plugin for Delphi - so I guess I need to start looking at Subversion.

Thanks for the link - that answers a lot of questions. VSS certainly isn't a top notch product and it sounds like I might finally be able to dump it.

Regards,
Nick H
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nhustak



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,
Actually..wow..TFS 2010 doesn't support keyword expansion OR sharing. But then I'm reading on Subversion and getting the locking that VSS has seems to be a bit of hack.

It's never easy.

Nick
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David Atkinson



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem at all! We're very curious to know how Microsoft plans to migrate its users off VSS to something affordable as I think that many are put off by the complexity of Team System / TFS, as well as its price. Here at Red Gate we recently did the migration to Subversion and we've been very pleased with the results.

Do let us know how you get on.

Kind regards,

David
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